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Post by maxcarnage on Dec 13, 2005 20:22:07 GMT -5
Why is it cheating if you are just using your brain to build the ultimate car? if you don't like it get out of my way!! Example: The Texas cowling It becomes cheating when you blatently do something the rules tell you " do not"....untill then everything is in the gray
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Post by derbyman753 on Dec 13, 2005 23:18:51 GMT -5
none has answered my question yet about the cheating , the ones who say they have never cheated, im asking u if u can honestly say u have never did anything against the rules being caught or havent been caught cause cheating is cheating no matter how big or small and if u havent whoever hasnt cheated well then i comend u on it but i still dont think ure going to do as well but ol well its ure opinion so thats cool bye me 753 ;D
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Post by roadkill on Dec 14, 2005 2:06:06 GMT -5
I tried for 11 years to build the best car possible and kept getting rolled up by guys who would do the "extra" to their cars. I got trashed in a rust free 73 Roundback by cars that shouldn't have been near what I had. I threw in the towel and got "creative" my last two years and now have 3 feature wins, with lesser cars than them!
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Post by maxcarnage on Dec 14, 2005 7:35:28 GMT -5
753.....I have NEVER broken any rule in ANY derby...even when I knew ahead of time I was going to be up against cheaters....And I have still made feature appearances. I stand by my earlier statement. If you know how to build a great car, and you can drive well. You can do well, regardless of who's doing what.
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Post by derbyman753 on Dec 14, 2005 16:13:18 GMT -5
;Dwell that cool maxcarnage i comend u for it u got more money than i is all i guess and u said appearenses how many wins and i do agree u can compete some but what about all the newbies there done especially the ones who come thinking they are as hard as everyone else u know u have alot of experince prob. like most of us on here what about the ones who dont u know 753
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Post by derbyman753 on Dec 14, 2005 16:18:54 GMT -5
roadkill i feel the same way usally theres cheaters and theres the losers not literally they are but there usally going to if they dont do atleast what eveyone else is u know 753 ;D or atleast somthing to help wich is still cheating though lol
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Post by maxcarnage on Dec 14, 2005 19:13:57 GMT -5
I haven't won any features yet, but I've got a great feeling about this coming year. In the past I always got distracted from the finishing touches on my cars because I was always helping my buddies get theirs put together. I've missed placing in the features from some pretty stupid little things, that had I just taken an additional day to do, they wouldn't have cost me. This year I have two guys to build for, and only 2 guys....it's going to be a great year..
most cars ever built at one time 7...and I somehow managed to half-ass my ground wire and only wired it to use 1 battery....yeah, that worked like waxed fruit
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Post by derbyman753 on Dec 15, 2005 12:16:27 GMT -5
heard thats maxcarnage lol been there done that ,lol little things suck lol, so now i go over everyone of my cars with a fine toothed comb so to speak lol, so atleast its nothing that i couldve helped 753 ;D
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Post by chryslerfat on Dec 16, 2005 9:16:05 GMT -5
I am with max carnage and the inspectors where I run with USA Demolition are good at the inspections. It cracks me up when the cheaters (same guys every time) cry that this is bs. and im never coming back. Hey pal its in the rules and if you dont like it stand by your word and dont come back. Also if the show does bad techs dont go there I have quit going to the shows that let everything fly like an 80s car on a clamback frame.
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Post by chris426 on Dec 16, 2005 15:27:55 GMT -5
well i've loaded frames before, and plated bumpers, but not lately, i figured out how to make the bumpers tuff without cheating, and usually loading the frame in one spot, just makes it bend worse in another spot, so it don't do much good unless you load the entire frame. i'm a non-cheater now, i'm just a trickster.
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Post by chryslerfat on Dec 17, 2005 9:00:49 GMT -5
I have won a feature agianst cheaters where I didnt cheat and let me tell you the feeling was grand (1000 dollar win) lol
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Post by yorkracing88x on Dec 17, 2005 21:22:51 GMT -5
hey if anybody fro heres run southbend's they do not tech for crap they let 228,3t's the 44 and few othere a way with it.and in bs i'm going to put stop it fighting fire with fire
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Post by chris426 on Dec 17, 2005 22:37:51 GMT -5
what was that again?
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Post by yorkracing88x on Dec 17, 2005 22:42:29 GMT -5
i said if anybody in here runs southbend they should know how bad southbend motorspeedway teching crew lets a group of drivers get away with what they want and it's bullsh*t. and i said i'm going to fight fire with fire so that means i'm going to take a cheated car over there in apirl and driver right though the newgents and linzts and who ever else. i think i got a few people in mined to make sure my car does get though tech.
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Post by chris426 on Dec 17, 2005 22:46:21 GMT -5
oh ok, i get what you're saying now, i didn't really understand at first
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Post by doba75 on Dec 19, 2005 4:24:11 GMT -5
chris open your eyes and read, making smashmouth type it twice. lmao I know what he is going through same here guys have to cheat them chevys up to compeat against our mopars.
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Post by yorkracing88x on Dec 19, 2005 22:52:55 GMT -5
i know what you mean they only run newyorker, and newports here at the fais gm is the car to run at the local fairs and those 80's fords at southbend are the car to drive over there. so lets see how the big name drivers like it when they get what they need coming to them a godd azz kicken.
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Post by derbyman753 on Dec 22, 2005 14:12:27 GMT -5
well thats fine chrystlerfat but when u could only run 1 derby a year if u didnt go to those derbies well that sucks so ill just compete with the guys at those derbies, and dont cheat at the 1 0r 2 that i dont have too but thats just me cause like i said it wouldnt be so bad if eveyone could drive and build an awesome car but not eveyone has the experince to compete with a plated ride and ures stock so ill just do what i said a minute ago thanks 753 ;D
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Post by doba75 on Dec 26, 2005 10:07:30 GMT -5
All I'm saying is at some tracks you have to do somethings just to compete because if you don't you will be done before you know it.
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Post by moosedawg89 on Dec 26, 2005 19:40:33 GMT -5
It could be cheating or competing....I call it the best innovator :-) I will be the 1st to admit I will load it to the gills and if I get caught o well no whining just cut it or load it or innovate it some more...It all a game!!! If your not doing it someone else will and you better hope it is not you with the plastic fork at the gun fight or your gonna be one PO'd puppy at the end of the night.... Most of all go to have fun!!! Moosedawg
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Post by moosedawg89 on Dec 26, 2005 19:41:52 GMT -5
O ya hell all...Amy.... Crazy Gary ...... Mossedawg is still alive just a little quite these days
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Post by derbyman753 on Dec 26, 2005 23:37:45 GMT -5
id have to agree with u moosedawg89 lol thats what ill do because around here there is cheaters and theres losers lol but i wont cheat at derbies i dont have to i dont like building cars that much lol 753 ;D
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Post by outcastpunk on Jan 4, 2006 13:14:33 GMT -5
i have a question that has always bothered me...........if we go thru someones inspect, and they let us run then.........how can we be cheating i mean they looked at the car they said it meets the rulz so u can run. now how can we as a group of people say who is cheating. if they dont let someone run then they are not a cheater,just have a car thats built for another set of rules. now on the other hand if we had a set of rules and had no inspection until after the derby,then had an inspection after the derby and found that the winning carz were cheated,or any cars were cheated,then u can say someone cheated. but if i bringa car 2 a derby and they let u run....who is the cheater? the car owner or the inspect team? when the inspect team say u can run then they r saying u have passed the rulz.right? thats what they r inspceting..your car to see if its safe and built to the rulz,right? just my ? also if its a stock derby and u change the shifter....then its not a stock car.if u weld the rear end.....its not stock,if u wire the rad. in...then its not stock,if u change m/t from ford to chevy ........then its not stock. the list could go on.what im saying is u could find the grey area alot unless the rules r spelled out real well,very well. thats my 2 cents hope this doesnt add 2 the confusion
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Post by stris141 on Jan 4, 2006 14:31:16 GMT -5
That's all true, to a certain point. Just because the inspector missed the "extras" you added, beyound the rules, doesn't make it right. At least for those rules. If you go into someones house and kill them, and no one sees you, does that make it ok? No! And the same thing goes for cheating in a derby. Now if you go to a derby, that just doesn't have any rules, then do what you want. But if there is a set of major rules, then stick by them. If a stock derby allows you to change the shifter, etc then that's fine. I agree there are many "grey" areas in rules, in general. Wireing a radiator in, isn't so bad. But when you make a support, with extra steel, that would be beyond stock. If the rules say, no welding the rear, and you have a limited slip rear, that should be fine. But don't weld your rear, because others have that limited slip rear. If the rules say, engine swap is ok, but must be same manufactor as car, then don't put a Chevy in a Dodge. And if the engine has to be in the stock place, doen't try and set it back. We had some people try and run a 62 Merc, with a Chevy 350. That would have been ok, by the rules. But they mounted it so far back, they had to cut out the firewall. They didn't get to run, because the rules said it had to be in stock location. So anyway, yes there are "grey" areas. But if a inspector misses some major cheat, it's still not legal. And that's why lots of rules, say they will check car after derby. If they miss it then, it's still cheating, but you didn't get caught. Common sense goes a long way. And let your conscious be your guide. Those are two sayings, that more people should follow, in the sport.
Steve
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Post by themailman on Jan 4, 2006 17:59:43 GMT -5
stris141 you got it dead nuts buddy!! couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by derbyman753 on Jan 4, 2006 21:50:48 GMT -5
so u think even if ure going to get beat everytime u should still follow the rules , and what about the inspectors cheating weve run before where the inspectors load u and stevie wonder could see the plates on another car however because there the judges buddies or whatever , they go right through and this is at almost all of our derbies ,not to mention the teaming which dont get me wrong, i know , it goes on everywhere we do it and everyone else ive run against does , but dont let ure buddies have 3 on 1 and then we do same thing and throw us out i just couldnt afford to do that let someone else win everytime cause there cheated and ure not so like i said i say cheat when u have to and dont when u dont just my thoughts thanks 753 ;D
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Post by chryslerfat on Jan 4, 2006 22:03:07 GMT -5
Pretty much thats why I run with USA Demolition here in Michigan because at the drivers meeting he says is there any car here you see something thats not with the rules speak up now and we will reinspect the car now. Sorry to hear from the sound of it that not all promoters are like this.
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Post by dadicted on Jan 4, 2006 22:12:17 GMT -5
we dont get anything like that. we get cold sholder by the refs and told that they will talk to us after the derby. and only if we have the 100$ protesting fee.
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Post by outcastpunk on Jan 4, 2006 23:21:12 GMT -5
just remember before u talk about common sense. did u drive over the speed limit today? only one mile over and no one seen ya,who is in the wrong and not using there common sense.there r speed limit signs on every road around here.if u did,or u have, then thats breaking the law,just like breaking and entering and killing.not as punishable butt still bending the rules,or breaking the law. besides breaking the law and bending the rules for some sport is not even comparable.we r talking about a sport that some inspect team has allowed u run. not breaking the law and killing. everyone wants the upper hand in any sport,like racing or fishing,or golf ect.......... just got to figure out how 2 get the upper hand without cheating. i have been on the bad end of this deal.i have been up against some loaded carz,NOT FUN . more than once! i have been hit so hard by cheated cars that it broke my block.but should i get mad at the driver or mad at the inspect team that allowed the tank to run. they r the ones who have the athuority to make the guy load up and go home.even at the end of the show when the "cheated" car isnt bent and everything else is,they have the athuority to not give him the cash and trophy.if nascar would allow a driver to go thru inspect with 2 big of fin on his car then who is 2 blame? if it was hidden, then who didnt inspect the car and let the driver run?everyone blames the driver,but who oke'd him to run the eligal car? im not saying u should "cheat" im just asking a ? .
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Post by dadicted on Jan 5, 2006 0:46:33 GMT -5
the inspectors are to blame, learn who are the inspectors and what gets threw tech, build to what everyone else builds there cars to. build the same type of cars as everyone else who runs the show, then outdrive them. if u cheat ur cars up alot more then everyone else then u wont have any fun in the win.
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